Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
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Math is invisible. Unlike physics, chemistry, and biology we can't see it, smell it, or even directly observe it in the universe. And so that has made a lot of really smart people ask, does it actually even EXIST?!?! Similar to the tree falling in the forest, there are people who believe that if no person existed to count, math wouldn't be around . .at ALL!!!! But is this true? Do we live in a mathless universe? Or if math is a real entity that exists, are there formulas and mathematical concepts out there in the universe that are undiscovered? Or is it all fiction? Whew!! So many questions, so many theories... watch the episode and let us know what you think! All Time 10 Videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFydagCS9fg Veritasium - http://www.youtube.com/1veritasium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JGSqG8OLjE) Fast, Furious & Funny - http://www.youtube.com/fastfuriousandfunny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWxub2XhmXM) The Brain Scoop - http://www.youtube.com/thebrainscoop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNuu0y6ZmAs) ASAPScience - http://www.youtube.com/AsapSCIENCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgxJhpLoFFU) The Royal Institute of Great Britain - http://www.youtube.com/TheRoyalInstitution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm02Oid8sbs) The Spangler Effect - http://www.youtube.com/TheSpanglerEffect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fQ4uB-At-c) Minute Physics - http://www.youtube.com/minutephysics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yHDeKFW8j8) Head Squeeze - http://www.youtube.com/HeadsqueezeTV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPBJX1SW7AA) Vsauce - http://www.youtube.com/Vsauce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45Q1_psDqk) Episode Links: Weezy Waiter's "The Good Stuff" http://www.youtube.com/TheGoodStuff Awesome Math photos from Nikki Graziano http://nikkigraziano.com/index.php/project/found-functions/ Further Reading for the "Online/Offline" Episode: Nathan Jurgenson: http://thenewinquiry.com/author/nathanjurgenson/ http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2011/09/13/digital-dualism-and-the-fallacy-of-web-objectivity/ EA and Guns Article http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/no-ea-wont-license-guns-in-its-2013-games-but-it-never-has/ Sources: Eugene Wigner http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/MathDrama/reading/Wigner.html Velocity of an Unladen Swallow http://style.org/unladenswallow/ Alain Badiou Briefings on Existence Lakoff / Nunez Where Does Math Comes From? Mark Colyvan An Introduction to the Philosophy of Mathematics Tweet of the Week: https://twitter.com/startmyquest/status/339670771460878338 Music: "Europe" by Roglok (http://www.roglok.net) "Carry on Carillon" by Roglok (http://www.roglok.net) "Bouncy Castle" by Roglok (http://www.roglok.net) ":P" by Roglok (http://www.roglok.net) Level 5: Room for the Homeless http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a101325/level-5 Binarpilot http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/661417/geeks Clockwork - Titan (geometry remix) https://soundcloud.com/wompworthy/clockwork-titan-geometry-remix Let us know what sorts of crazy ideas you have, about this episode and otherwise: Tweet at us! @pbsideachannel (yes, the longest twitter username ever) Email us! pbsideachannel [at] gmail [dot] com Idea Channel Facebook! http://Facebook.com/pbsideachannel Hosted by Mike Rugnetta (@mikerugnetta) Made by Kornhaber Brown (http://www.kornhaberbrown.com) Want some more Idea Channel? Here's Last Week's episode: "Is Developing Artificial Intelligence (AI) Ethical?" http://youtu.be/95KhuSbYJGE Want another one? Here ya go: "Is Sad Music Actually Sad?" http://youtu.be/bWWYE4eLEfk Here's Some More: "Is Buying Call of Duty a Moral Choice?" http://youtu.be/jeIHH0XEs6E
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An important ( ...
An important (philosophical) question... My worry: Fictional or real, it is a fact that logic (math) is compatible with the functions in the universe to an immense range of scales that surpass human experience (hence, I believe, evolution is not enough to give a satisfactory answer given that this knowledge became available a few hundred years ago - give or take). An this range is reasonable to expect that will become much wider in the next few hundred years. So, what is the relation of the human brain function to the function of physical phenomena that are describable in terms of math (and many of them lie beyond the everyday experience)? Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
Ben Bogart26/10/2014
An important ( ...
An important (philosophical) question... My worry: Fictional or real, it is a fact that logic (math) is compatible with the functions in the universe to an immense range of scales that surpass human experience (hence, I believe, evolution is not enough to give a satisfactory answer given that this knowledge became available a few hundred years ago - give or take). An this range is reasonable to expect that will become much wider in the next few hundred years. So, what is the relation of the human brain function to the function of physical phenomena that are describable in terms of math (and many of them lie beyond the everyday experience)? Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
Konstantinos Anagnostopoulos25/10/2014
This video hit me ...
This video hit me like a pop song that I can't get out of my head. I guess I've always thought math was a language used to describe things, but now I'm not so sure. I hope maybe +Artem Kaznatcheev will pick up on this and write something.
Kirk M26/10/2014
An important ( ...
An important (philosophical) question... My worry: Fictional or real, it is a fact that logic (math) is compatible with the functions in the universe to an immense range of scales that surpass human experience (hence, I believe, evolution is not enough to give a satisfactory answer given that this knowledge became available a few hundred years ago - give or take). An this range is reasonable to expect that will become much wider in the next few hundred years. So, what is the relation of the human brain function to the function of physical phenomena that are describable in terms of math (and many of them lie beyond the everyday experience)? Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
Gary Rudd26/10/2014
what is the OMG [ a ...
what is the OMG [ a proton that weighs 50 lbs ???] check it out in the wikipedia
robkim5518/10/2014
+Vijay Raj + ...
+Vijay Raj +Prasiddh Trivedi Remember this? Discovery v/s Invention ?
Vinit Bavishi15/10/2014
How can math not ...
How can math not exist outside our minds? 3+1=4 has always been true, and will never stop being true. Even if space and time never existed, 3+1 would still equal 4. Numbers themselves are the same. 3=3 works the same way, so the value of 3 has always been 3, and would be without us. Am I wrong?
Nosajsom02/07/2014
I see math more as ...
I see math more as a meta language that helps us describe physics, geometry and other concepts. Somehow like XML?
Bauzi07/10/2014
Another reason math ...
Another reason math can exist without us is because of the very things that make up the universe, they are purely mathematical subatomic particles, they just have quantities for their properties, e.g mass, spin, charge, etc.. Humans couldnt have created math if by doing so will mean it creates all of the very objects that make up the universe, as they are already in the universe long before us, possibly created by the theoretical big bang
HyperLord09/10/2014
It's an abstraction ...
It's an abstraction of the Universe that's more easily understood. Without the Universe, we wouldn't have anything to abstract math from. If we were in a Universe where things work out differently, math may even function differently, as strange as that may sound. By proposing that math is purely a human creation, we must also propose that Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and all the other branches of science are inherently flawed since they rely on Math and therefore no truth value can ever be taken from them. I think that sounds absurd, but anti-realists may disagree.
Will, "The Truth is hard to believe for some"13/09/2014
Without humans, ...
Without humans, there would be no one to discover math. Soo, we wouldn't know if it existed or not. Therefore we humans are credited for discovering math. I mean if math was universally just there... It would just BE there. No one would really care cus no one would BE there to know about it. So we are credited for caring and knowing about it. 
Maliha Hossain14/07/2014
Mathematics is real ...
Mathematics is real and exists independent of the human mind. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand math, and is likely getting confused by the human symbols, terms (names), and definitions that we invent in order to comprehend math.
Dagobah 35921/08/2014
An important ( ...
An important (philosophical) question... My worry: Fictional or real, it is a fact that logic (math) is compatible with the functions in the universe to an immense range of scales that surpass human experience (hence, I believe, evolution is not enough to give a satisfactory answer given that this knowledge became available a few hundred years ago - give or take). An this range is reasonable to expect that will become much wider in the next few hundred years. So, what is the relation of the human brain function to the function of physical phenomena that are describable in terms of math (and many of them lie beyond the everyday experience)? Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
Rob Jongschaap26/10/2014
Excellent video. ...
Excellent video. One thing I'd mention is that at 1:03 he mentions that if he had a twin, then there would be "2 of him", and this is almost but not quite correct. To genuinely have 2 of anything, those things should be exactly identical, meaning that they would also be in the exact same location at the exact same time. The only way that can happen is if one of them is trivial. Most people just ignore this and mutter something about fuzzy whatever as they wiggle their hands in the air.
will kuch25/10/2014
wait, you said "5, ...
wait, you said "5, 10, james bond and his martini, don't actually real" ... ಠ_ಠ
Boltaan'jistman29/10/2014
Whether or not it ...
Whether or not it exists, it works, and works reliably. Is it really useful to debate whether or not it exists?
SAFR Productions27/10/2014
If you create rules ...
If you create rules and build new things that obey these rules, don't be suprised if those new things can be proven by your originally created rules.
androidRS28/10/2014
Now I think why did ...
Now I think why did I study maths!! LOL..
Anuroop Kulshreshth27/10/2014
Math is a tool we ...
Math is a tool we use to measure reality based on our current science methods, it is not reality itself. You could argue that human brains are part of the universe which uses math to communicate.
Kevin Rutkowski26/10/2014
I believe it falls ...
I believe it falls onto the math realists to explain whether or not that math exists. *They* are the one making a claim that math exists, so *they* have to prove it. (I'm hoping you notice that this is an analogy of another hot topic...)
LawlessNate26/10/2014
Twilight Sparklehttp://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/users/odv000UCgULJC4yXejpxRFdRv8GChw1160664970510405539210TbNymweHW4Ehttp://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/TbNymweHW4E/comments/z12nxty5ionwy3sx404ce5k4dte3hdihnas2014-10-26T06:52:47.000Z2014-10-26T06:52:47.000ZFantastic video. I ...</div><div class='content_comment'>Fantastic video. I believe that we don't use math to describe the universe, the universe IS math. There are too many things that can be described with math. Color, sound, chemistry, gravity...too many functions. Without math, we don't have those functions, and we don't have our specific universe...</div><div class='info_comment'><span class='authorComment'>Jeremy Williams</span><span class='dateComment'>26/10/2014</span></div></div><div class='item_comment'><div class='title_comment'>Is Math a Feature ...</div><div class='content_comment'>Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS http://ow.ly/DlZHv</div><div class='info_comment'><span class='authorComment'>Ionic Prodigy</span><span class='dateComment'>26/10/2014</span></div></div><div class='item_comment'><div class='title_comment'>Take some pennies.. ...</div><div class='content_comment'>Take some pennies... place them on the table... you have pennies on the table... take some away, you have less on the table... math, without names for numbers, but math none the less... therefore, it exists. If I can demonstrate it, it exists.</div><div class='info_comment'><span class='authorComment'>vyor2</span><span class='dateComment'>04/04/2014</span></div></div><div class='item_comment'><div class='title_comment'>Have questions. ...</div><div class='content_comment'>Have questions. Regardless, doesn't patterns and structures exist in the universe on account of physical laws? Isn't mathematics merely the tool we use to comprehend and model those patterns and structures? Maybe it's not so much math is the end, it's merely the means to the end, a decoder of physics or whatever. It's a good point though. Would 10 cats in business suits exist if we weren't there to group and count them? Would they even have a numerical value without us observing and testing such value? Huh, it's like does a fell tree makes a sound conundrum. 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