Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
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Durata: 8 minuti 45 secondi
Autore: PBS Idea Channel
Data pubblicazione: 03/06/2013
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Math is invisible. Unlike physics, chemistry, and biology we can't see it, smell it, or even directly observe it in the universe. And so that has made a lot of really smart people ask, does it actually even EXIST?!?! Similar to the tree falling in the forest, there are people who believe that if no person existed to count, math wouldn't be around . .at ALL!!!! But is this true? Do we live in a mathless universe? Or if math is a real entity that exists, are there formulas and mathematical concepts out there in the universe that are undiscovered? Or is it all fiction? Whew!! So many questions, so many theories... watch the episode and let us know what you think! All Time 10 Videos: Veritasium - ( Fast, Furious & Funny - ( The Brain Scoop - ( ASAPScience - ( The Royal Institute of Great Britain - ( The Spangler Effect - ( Minute Physics - ( Head Squeeze - ( Vsauce - ( Episode Links: Weezy Waiter's "The Good Stuff" Awesome Math photos from Nikki Graziano Further Reading for the "Online/Offline" Episode: Nathan Jurgenson: EA and Guns Article Sources: Eugene Wigner Velocity of an Unladen Swallow Alain Badiou Briefings on Existence Lakoff / Nunez Where Does Math Comes From? Mark Colyvan An Introduction to the Philosophy of Mathematics Tweet of the Week: Music: "Europe" by Roglok ( "Carry on Carillon" by Roglok ( "Bouncy Castle" by Roglok ( ":P" by Roglok ( Level 5: Room for the Homeless Binarpilot Clockwork - Titan (geometry remix) Let us know what sorts of crazy ideas you have, about this episode and otherwise: Tweet at us! @pbsideachannel (yes, the longest twitter username ever) Email us! pbsideachannel [at] gmail [dot] com Idea Channel Facebook! Hosted by Mike Rugnetta (@mikerugnetta) Made by Kornhaber Brown ( Want some more Idea Channel? Here's Last Week's episode: "Is Developing Artificial Intelligence (AI) Ethical?" Want another one? Here ya go: "Is Sad Music Actually Sad?" Here's Some More: "Is Buying Call of Duty a Moral Choice?"

Now my brain is ...
Now my brain is hurt. 
Donovan Colbert07/02/2014
and now my brain ...
and now my brain hurts
Polly Crookston01/12/2013
I remember when I ...
I remember when I was in High School I had to learn the Pythagorean theorem. I was so mad, and told my Teacher I will never need this in my life. She said you never know. Well twenty three years later, my Mom and I were going to K-Mart to buy some under shirts, and she got pulled over for going 45 in a 25. I looked at the Officer and said "Officer, are you familiar with the Pythagorean theorem?" He shook his head no, and I took out a sheet of paper and started drawing some things I remembered about it. The Officer looked at me and said "What in the He** is wrong with you." He gave my Mom a $75 ticket, and I just yelled in anger to the sky....."See Mrs. Hannigan, I told you I would never need this in real life."
Math is obviously a ...
Math is obviously a system created to describe numerical operations that already existed. Before "math" was "developed" people could still have 2 apples and eat 1, leaving 1 remaining apple. Math accidentally came about through the discovery of language. This is the reason why every country has different words for the operations. In English we say: 2 plus 2 equals 4 In Japanese it would be: 2 tasu 2 ha 4 The concepts always existed, we just created variables (words) to describe them. 
math = language.
math = language.
Math is real ...
Math is real because two intelligent beings in far apart places yet members of the same universe can come up with the same logical realization that 1+1 = 2 Math is a phenomenon of time and space. If there was no time we couldn't count passing events, if there was no space there wouldn't be two of anything, maybe not even one.
I think it's time I ...
I think it's time I brought out Dumbledore for this one: "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"
This guy is ...
This guy is fucking stupid.
@turevus sure, but ...
@turevus sure, but math can be applied to the world and its characteristics, while we know for a fact that language is completely man made and did not exist before us.
Jay Swain13/04/2014
I agree on the ...
I agree on the neutral perspective: That mathematics is a human invention that guides us in understanding regularities within the universe. A circle or sphere does not actually contain a physical radius... but it DOES have a physical SIZE, one in which I can then use trigonometric concepts to find said size and information leading from it to manipulate the object.
So if intelligent ...
So if intelligent aliens exist, would they use the same type of math as we do...? 
Alex Hansen21/03/2014
either way math is ...
either way math is duuumb
Shadow Falcon26/03/2014
math is fake, until ...
math is fake, until math can give an exact answer to 10 divided by 3. its all fake
You could look at ...
You could look at it in two ways: One: Two is an abstract concept. You can't actually hold two itself. OR..... Two: If quarks are made up of prions, the theoretical particles that are divided into two flavors: positive and negative, the our entire universe, not matter how complex, could be a computer program, with no arguments left against it, and God as the programmer.
Syed Monzareen10/12/2013
I think the ...
I think the INSPIRATION for math exists in real life. Angles, shapes, values, they can be observed throughout the universe. But we as humans decided they were angles, shapes, and values in the first place. Before humans existed, things didn't really have "value". They were just there. Humans, in an attempt to organize what they observed, decided that an apple and another apple were two apples.
I do not recommend ...
I do not recommend this razzle dazzle video on a metaphysical subject. Here is my simple response to the question. The answer depends on the meta-level of your query. As a #language #mathematics is strictly a human creation (although such language has likely also been created by any advanced lifeform). However, the results and underlying patterns/structure of mathematics are part of #reality, otherwise mathematics would not be useful.
Paul Wakfer25/02/2014
Math is a real ...
Math is a real thing that humans discovered. We can conclude math is real because all things in the universe behave according to mathematical laws; which they did before math was discovered and will after humanity ends. For example, in billiards, a ball will bounce off the side at the same angle at which it hits the side. This would be true regardless of humans knew it.
Justin Walker12/01/2014
Without humans, ...
Without humans, there would be no one to discover math. Soo, we wouldn't know if it existed or not. Therefore we humans are credited for discovering math. I mean if math was universally just there... It would just BE there. No one would really care cus no one would BE there to know about it. So we are credited for caring and knowing about it. 
Maliha Hossain14/07/2014
I already knew this ...
I already knew
Ashley Casey03/03/2014
Much the same as ...
Much the same as others already answered, math is good for predictions, but it is theoretical, as the world is never that exact and is extremely complex (considering all the atoms and subparticles). Things that wrack people's brains in math, usually having to do with infinity, are not real because infinity does not practically exist.
Take some pennies.. ...
Take some pennies... place them on the table... you have pennies on the table... take some away, you have less on the table... math, without names for numbers, but math none the less... therefore, it exists. If I can demonstrate it, it exists.
Math is the study ...
Math is the study of....Math. Anti-climatic there why do't ya.
This is not ...
This is not intellectualism but more agenda based programming/propaganda. Beware this PBS Idea Channel. Proverbs 14:15
Nothing its real, ...
Nothing its real, not even the walls of your house, colors dont exist either, all its just created in our brain.
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