Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
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Durata: 8 minuti 45 secondi
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Data pubblicazione: 03/06/2013
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Math is invisible. Unlike physics, chemistry, and biology we can't see it, smell it, or even directly observe it in the universe. And so that has made a lot of really smart people ask, does it actually even EXIST?!?! Similar to the tree falling in the forest, there are people who believe that if no person existed to count, math wouldn't be around . .at ALL!!!! But is this true? Do we live in a mathless universe? Or if math is a real entity that exists, are there formulas and mathematical concepts out there in the universe that are undiscovered? Or is it all fiction? Whew!! So many questions, so many theories... watch the episode and let us know what you think! All Time 10 Videos: Veritasium - ( Fast, Furious & Funny - ( The Brain Scoop - ( ASAPScience - ( The Royal Institute of Great Britain - ( The Spangler Effect - ( Minute Physics - ( Head Squeeze - ( Vsauce - ( Episode Links: Weezy Waiter's "The Good Stuff" Awesome Math photos from Nikki Graziano Further Reading for the "Online/Offline" Episode: Nathan Jurgenson: EA and Guns Article Sources: Eugene Wigner Velocity of an Unladen Swallow Alain Badiou Briefings on Existence Lakoff / Nunez Where Does Math Comes From? Mark Colyvan An Introduction to the Philosophy of Mathematics Tweet of the Week: Music: "Europe" by Roglok ( "Carry on Carillon" by Roglok ( "Bouncy Castle" by Roglok ( ":P" by Roglok ( Level 5: Room for the Homeless Binarpilot Clockwork - Titan (geometry remix) Let us know what sorts of crazy ideas you have, about this episode and otherwise: Tweet at us! @pbsideachannel (yes, the longest twitter username ever) Email us! pbsideachannel [at] gmail [dot] com Idea Channel Facebook! Hosted by Mike Rugnetta (@mikerugnetta) Made by Kornhaber Brown ( Want some more Idea Channel? Here's Last Week's episode: "Is Developing Artificial Intelligence (AI) Ethical?" Want another one? Here ya go: "Is Sad Music Actually Sad?" Here's Some More: "Is Buying Call of Duty a Moral Choice?"

stop with the memes ...
stop with the memes its not 2010
Well the fact is ...
Well the fact is that although maths is a very good tool to describe and predict the universe, it is only an approximation.
Math is just a ...
Math is just a language. Asking "is math real" is like asking "is spanish real" 
Gurren Zero06/02/2015
If math only exists ...
If math only exists inside our brain, why do we DISCOVER it? We can't discover something if we knew it all along...or is that a stupid question?
Philip J. Fry19/02/2015
You have overlooked ...
You have overlooked one crucial thing. Science is faith as well, People used to think that the earth is the center of the universe. Most people had faith in it thus it was science. We all think that the Sun is the center now but that may not really be the case. Science may also be a creation of the human mind. In fact, if you think about it, nothing can be really said to be of the universe
Lindle Lee12/01/2015
An important ( ...
An important (philosophical) question... My worry: Fictional or real, it is a fact that logic (math) is compatible with the functions in the universe to an immense range of scales that surpass human experience (hence, I believe, evolution is not enough to give a satisfactory answer given that this knowledge became available a few hundred years ago - give or take). An this range is reasonable to expect that will become much wider in the next few hundred years. So, what is the relation of the human brain function to the function of physical phenomena that are describable in terms of math (and many of them lie beyond the everyday experience)? Is Math a Feature of the Universe or a Feature of Human Creation? | Idea Channel | PBS
Konstantinos Anagnostopoulos25/10/2014
Math is a law bound ...
Math is a law bound by this universe. Math is a reality!! Men binds this universe
Carlo Santana16/04/2015
I believe it falls ...
I believe it falls onto the math realists to explain whether or not that math exists. *They* are the one making a claim that math exists, so *they* have to prove it. (I'm hoping you notice that this is an analogy of another hot topic...)
I think it does ...
I think it does exist. If there was water, there was 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom, 1 molecule made by 2+1=3 atoms.
I would say math ...
I would say math exists in our brain! That is in intelligent brains that is!
Wait, are we sure ...
Wait, are we sure we can see "physics"? We can see objects (kinda) and we describe those objects with equations and principles of physics, but we can't see Newton's first law. We can see objects (kinda) that obey the first law, but we can't see the first law. We can see objects that obey mathematical correlations too so I guess I don't see the difference clearly.
We Are Showboat14/02/2015
I have a lot of ...
I have a lot of time for Lakoff and Nunez's book, which I own.
I been studying " ...
I been studying "smart bomb pills." These kinds of things are non-determinable, Buddha would say. Dharmakirti would say that all, ALL, is an illusion. I think both are right in a defacto by default kind of way.
Joseph Mitchell10/03/2015
I think the anti- ...
I think the anti-realistic way is more consistent. I think we can see that we sort of "create" geometry, for example. The natural geometry for us is obviously an Euclidean Geometry, but as physicists saw that it doesn't really apply to our world, then they had to search for another kind of “non natural” geometry that they call Riemannian Geometry which, as far as I know, is more appropriate to describe relativistic phenomena. So maybe, if we find out some phenomena where it's better to think that 1+2 doesn't equal to 3, someone would end up by developing new concepts to “create” a new mathematic where 1+2 differs from 3.
Gaudio Wind30/03/2015
I've always thought ...
I've always thought that mathematics where just creations of the human brain. Mathematics is basically just the study and advancement of methods that can help answer human questions and solve human problems in an effective manner, or thats what I've always considered math to be...
Lorenzo Salazar14/04/2015
To me, it seems ...
To me, it seems like a little bit of both.
sirawesome hat29/03/2015
+TheIncredibleD1701 ...
+TheIncredibleD1701 "an approximation" to what? By saying that math is an approximation you are implying that the thing itself - what you are trying to achieve - actually exists. That being said, consider fractals and how in the mathematical realm they can be described and observed infinitely, but when reality sets in we are only able to observe approximations. Wouldn't that than imply that the reality is only an approximation of a deeper truth that we have yet to (or may never) achieve? Or even further could this mean that the universe itself is deteriorating and math is a remnant of what once was perfect? Food for thought!
Roman Bespartochnyy15/04/2015
The problems exist ...
The problems exist in the universe, the math exists in the brain.
Normally I would ...
Normally I would say math is an invention, however if you look at some of the stuff math predicted without observations such as relativity and (probably) certain shit in quantum physics, makes me a little bit skeptical of my original opinion. However, what if we say that it is both. We could say that the universe obeys inherent mathematical laws/ratio's ect, that are inherently mathematical. However, the system that we call math is a human invention used to describe the mathematical world. Also it should be stated that there are more ways to represent math. The first thing that comes to mind is the geometric style of calculation that newton and the greeks used. Which supports it's being inventedness 
This seems like A ...
This seems like A philosphical debate. Not as much a science debate.
This is insanely ...
This is insanely interesting. Thank you.
Blake Robinson11/03/2015
Yes yes yes yes yes ...
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. Math, or rather the variety of mathematics available, is indeed a linguistic construct for describing regularities. This is why there is not merely apparent, but not exact, consistencies between various cultural "mathematics" but also apparent, but not exact, consistencies between various cultural descriptions of reality (man, woman, dogs, cats, etc etc). I believe we can accurately state that physics is the empirical study of the application of such systems of proportion.
GS Talbert15/04/2015
2:40 "five, ten, ...
2:40 "five, ten, james bond, and his martini don't actually real" so grammar, very english
This video hit me ...
This video hit me like a pop song that I can't get out of my head. I guess I've always thought math was a language used to describe things, but now I'm not so sure. I hope maybe +Artem Kaznatcheev will pick up on this and write something.
Kirk M26/10/2014
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